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Anita Redmond
(@anita-redmond)
MP for North Somerset
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24/06/2019 10:32 pm  

We have a situation of a Labour Government in disarray, backed up by the LibDems pushing the indefensible; contempt for the British public. This is achieved by having a Prime Minister knowingly on the way out since the budget, launching policies to bind a future Prime Minister, knowing full well she doesn't have to defend or justify them - totally unaccountable - totally unacceptable. 

To top it off, the LibDem deputy Prime Minister not only defended her actions, but actively advocated them - it begs the question; was this all orchestrated in a deliberate attempt to announce a controversial policy decision without having to justify or explain it? So far, the Government have failed to address this.

And then we have the Scotland Act; our would-be Prime Minister, Calvin Ward, attempting to subvert the Scottish desire for further devolution simply because we, and I quote, "beat them to the punch". What an atrocious way to behave - unbecoming of a minister of state, let alone a potential Prime Minister, made all the worse by trying to claim it was about consultation and bettering the act, when in fact he then backed the Act when the SNP refused to vote it down, and didn't even turn up to the debate to offer amendments to 'better' it. The reality is this Government is more partisan than ever - putting it's own interests above that of the nation, and then ashamedly attempt to cover it up with mistruths and deception. 

Britain deserves far better than this shambles.

Rt. Hon. Anita Redmond MP
Conservative Member of Parliament for North Somerset
Shadow Education Secretary
Shadow Minister for Women & Equalities

Former Home Secretary (2014)
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General Goose
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24/06/2019 10:37 pm  

I think what is especially galling is how divisive and bitter politics has become - we have seen the almost unheard of spectacle of the opposition saying that members of the government are basically bad people. This is a cheap and divisive form of politics, a kind of negative campaigning unsuited for our democracy, and I think we can all agree that, no matter what our convictions, most in politics entered it for the right reasons. To say otherwise is a form of disrespectful demonisation that, quite frankly, has no place in our politics. 

Graham Adiputera (Lib Dem - Sutton and Cheam)
Deputy Prime Minister
Liberal Democrat Leader
Foreign Secretary
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Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Technology

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Anita Redmond
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MP for North Somerset
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24/06/2019 11:05 pm  

How much more does the Deputy Prime Minister want to cry crocodile tears about being called out for behaving badly? We are holding them to account and calling their actions for what they are; I will not apologise for exposing their poor behaviour and distasteful tactics, and pretending to take the moral high ground is insulting at best and downright dishonest at worst. 

Let's not forget that Labour accused Dylan Macmillan of 'desperately clinging to power', when in fact he called a general election when it was clear no coalition agreement could be reached. He didn't have to; he could have chosen to govern as a minority government - that could be perceived as 'desperately clinging to power'. The reality here is Labour will be choosing a new Prime Minister not chosen by the people, and they are desperately trying to justify not calling a General Election they know they will lose, through any means necessary.

It's high time Labour put's it's money where it's mouth is, and follow suit the Conservatives' example of ensuring the power remains firmly in the hands of the people.

Rt. Hon. Anita Redmond MP
Conservative Member of Parliament for North Somerset
Shadow Education Secretary
Shadow Minister for Women & Equalities

Former Home Secretary (2014)
Total Experience: 65
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Faye Gallacher
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24/06/2019 11:23 pm  

Anita Redmond accusing the Deputy Prime Minister of 'crocodile tears' when he decries the toxicity of politics is a big part of the problem. We have had accusations flung around on all sides - of lying, of corruption and of bad behaviour. It is unbecoming of us all.

This isn't just unpleasant but it makes for ineffective scrutiny. The Conservatives should scrutinise the government's record, but instead it has become a match of political one upping. People across the spectrum paid tribute to Ariadne Suchet in a very warm manner after her resignation - I hope that spirit continues, whatever should happen. 

"[we] would rather die than leave the Labour Party." - Emily Thornberry.


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Faye Gallacher
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24/06/2019 11:27 pm  

It is dismaying to see the Conservative Party try to square a circle. The Conservatives' could not have governed as a minority administration - there was a vote of no confidence waiting in the wings that they would undoubtedly lose, and it would have been better for them and for the country if they jumped before they were pushed. 

Before it was clear their majority was untenable, they wanted to carry on governing. With the government's majority secure, they want to upend the stability of a promised government programme for elections. The Conservatives have scrambled but they need to ask themselves: why are they okay to switch Prime Ministers twice in a term, whereas Labour is not allowed to switch Prime Ministers once? 

"[we] would rather die than leave the Labour Party." - Emily Thornberry.


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John Knox
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24/06/2019 11:35 pm  

I’m not going to stoop to the broken record lines of the Leader of the Opposition. The people elected a Labour government after an election was called because he couldn’t maintain a government with either the Liberal Democrats or lead from the minority. They will get a Labour led coalition with whoever is elected Labour leader as the Prime Minister and the Liberal Leader as the Deputy Prime Minister. The rules don’t change because of the position of the parties, and Labour waited patiently for Mr. Macmillan to form a government. What the Conservatives are now doing with all the talk of mandates and doing the right thing is the same old Tories grasping for power. I’d rather they get a consistent position on Crossrail before they attempt to lead again 

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General Goose
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24/06/2019 11:40 pm  

Anita Redmond's sudden preference for vitriolic personal attacks is, I think, a rather shocking change in behaviour. It used to be that when you debated with her, she used policy, reasoned argument, accepted that the other side had legitimate values and good intentions - now, she's using the same Conservative rulebook of just throwing extravagant insults out. The Conservative Party's MPs have decided to abandon effective scrutiny, instead just insulting the opposition and throwing childish insults around. They are toxifying our politics - and vastly limiting their options for returning to government. 

Graham Adiputera (Lib Dem - Sutton and Cheam)
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John Knox
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24/06/2019 11:50 pm  

To Anita Redmond saying “Let's not forget that Labour accused Dylan Macmillan of 'desperately clinging to power', when in fact he called a general election when it was clear no coalition agreement could be reached.”

 

Exactly

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Calvin Ward Conservative MP for Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale

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William Croft
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24/06/2019 11:52 pm  

Ultimately it will be the next Prime Minister's decision as to whether or not an election will be called, and no matter what happens the Conservatives will do everything in our power to improve the lives of the British people. It is important to recognize, however, that time and time again history shows us that Governments formed by a Prime Minister lacking a popular mandate are incapable of governing effectively. The Callaghan, Brown, and Cambel Ministries all struggled to implement policy effectively, and each time our country suffered as a result. The responsible thing to do, the right thing to do, is to call an election and thereby ensure the winner of that election has a real mandate to govern. I'm not going to get my hopes up, but for the wellbeing of Britain I hope that this time the Coalition will place the national interest over partisan politics. 

William Croft
Member of Parliament for Bracknell
Shadow Foreign Secretary
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John Knox
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24/06/2019 11:56 pm  

No Mr. Croft. The Campbell ministry failed to govern well because of immediate and deliberate scandal and breaking their coalition agreement. Just say how it happened and not the Conservative carousel spin. 

Calvin Ward Conservative MP for Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale

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William (Will) Conway
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MP for Milton Keynes North
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25/06/2019 12:48 am  

Am I the only member of Parliament getting fed up with the incessant whining of the Deputy Prime Minister?  Did he sleep through the 1980s and how Labour talked about the Thatcher governments?

Will Conway
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General Goose
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25/06/2019 1:13 am  

I condemned that sort of rhetoric back then, Harold Jameson, I will do it now. Two wrongs do not make a right. We must respect that a majority of our opponents are not bad people, are not in politics to be corrupt, want power to do good. That so many in the Conservative Party reportedly find this shocking or contentious is, I think, of a major concern. 

Graham Adiputera (Lib Dem - Sutton and Cheam)
Deputy Prime Minister
Liberal Democrat Leader
Foreign Secretary
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Macmillan
(@dylan-macmillan)
MP for North East Bedfordshire
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Posts: 560
25/06/2019 10:58 am  

The Government was formed on three mandates, those three mandates have all evaporated. The Labour manifesto lies burning in the rubbish bin, the Prime Minister lies outside in the cold with a dozen knives in her back, and the Leader of the Liberal Democrats is a faint and distant memory. In next to no time at all we will have a Prime Minister nobody voted for, supported by a Deputy nobody voted for, implementing a plan nobody voted for. There is no mandate here, the only right and proper course of action is to call a General Election to renew everyone's mandates, of course we all know that the Government are running scared of the people so whether we will get one or not is another matter.

Conservative MP for North East Bedfordshire
Leader of the Opposition (2014-16)

Prime Minister (2014)

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Anita Redmond
(@anita-redmond)
MP for North Somerset
Joined: 2 years ago
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25/06/2019 11:35 am  

I'm not sure if Calvin Ward is agreeing with me, or trying in vain to prove in wrong; as Prime Minister, Dylan Macmillan had a duty to try and re-establish a coalition agreement to continue the operation of a stable Government. He could have remained a minority Government - a fact Mr Ward is entirely hell-bent on ignoring.

Rt. Hon. Anita Redmond MP
Conservative Member of Parliament for North Somerset
Shadow Education Secretary
Shadow Minister for Women & Equalities

Former Home Secretary (2014)
Total Experience: 65
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Media: Novice (29)
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Macmillan
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MP for North East Bedfordshire
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25/06/2019 11:35 am  

Faye Gallacher wants the Conservatives to scrutinise the Government's record, so allow me indulge her for one moment. The Government's first budget abolished the triple lock on pensions because nobody in the Government could be bothered to check their homework. The Government's second budget increased the deficit with reckless borrowing which will take us a decade and a half to pay off based on the returns of the investment. The Government's response to the independence referendum wasn't just lacking, it was non-existent, with the Scotland Act not only left to rot but actively campaigned against behind the scenes by the Government because it wasn't their idea. The Government's record is one of fleeing from manifesto promises, making stupid mistakes due to "clerical errors", and running from their obligations to the House of Commons. 

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