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Press Cycle 14 - Re...
 

Press Cycle 14 - Reform Bill  

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Steve
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27/04/2019 7:42 pm  

Re-opened until 23:59 on 30 April

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Sir Geoffrey Birch
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MP for Bexhill & Battle
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28/04/2019 9:19 pm  

Single Transferable Vote is complicated system that creates weak governments and takes power away from voters. Never again will we see the removal vans in Downing Street on the Friday morning after an election where the voters have chosen to kick out the government in power. STV is a complex system. You only need to look at the instructions in the legislation to see that. That means it's slow and expensive to count, and the result may not be known until several days after the election. It will create more hung parliaments and therefore more weak governments. Worst of all, it takes the choice of government away from the people. Instead, the government will be decided in back rooms, where politicians throw away their manifestos to try stitch together some coalition. This “reform” is a backwards step for British democracy.

 


 

An elected “Senate” is a recipe for gridlock and bad laws. The House of Lords has many experts in specialised subjects. The very structure of the Lords is what allows them to come any impart their knowledge and wisdom on relevant matters, without having to be a “professional” legislator and be involved in all of the House's other proceedings. An elected Senate would lose that expertise, and legislation will suffer as a result. The House of Lords has a significant contingent of independent “crossbenchers”, members not beholden to a political party, able to express opinion freely and able to suggest solutions without regard to a party line. An elected Senate, as proposed, would use an electoral system that makes independent members all but impossible. The House of Lords, by standing apart from electoral politics, is able to be a House of sober thought and careful reflection, ensuring that our laws are the best they can be. An elected Senate will see Senators concerned about their own electoral futures, not on the effectiveness of the law. The House of Lords, in its unelected form, recognises its need to be subservient to the elected Government of the British people. An elected Senate would be emboldened to block, thwart or subvert the manifesto of the elected Government, leading to American-style gridlock. This is a “reform” that will bring governance to a standstill and worsen the quality of the laws we live by.

 


 

At the election, Labour promised you that any constitutional changes would be put back to you, the voters. They promised referenda in which all four countries of our United Kingdom would have a veto over change. Labour have broken their promise. There are no plans for a referendum, and the Chancellor, when given the opportunity to confirm, stayed silent. Labour have abandoned a clear part of their platform just to get into power with the Liberal Democrats. They are pushing through massive changes to the way the country is governed without deigning to ask you, the British people, whether that is what you really want.

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MP for Bexhill & Battle (2001-present)
Former MP for Northampton South (1983-1997)
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Formerly: Deborah Carpenter, Conservative, MP for Hertford & Stortford, Former Chancellor of the Exchequer


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Macmillan
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30/04/2019 1:41 pm  

This Government's plan for the future of our constitution is nothing short of disastrous for our country. The STV would ensure that any hope of stable government could be kissed goodbye and that three, four, or even five party government would become the norm. The manifesto would become a pointless document because no government would ever win the majority required to be able to actually implement it and so nearly every party would follow Labour's lead and simply ignore it. The Single Transferable Vote is a bad deal for our country that would lead to instability, fractured government, and have a disastrous impact upon our ability to legislate.

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Macmillan
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30/04/2019 1:45 pm  

Labour made a very simple covenant with the British people at the last election, any reforms that they proposed beyond an elected House of Lords or Senate would be put to the people in a referendum in which all four nations would hold an absolute veto. That manifesto commitment has been so roundly ignored and rejected that not one of the provisions of this bill outside of the Senate proposals have actually been put to a referendum. Of course we all know why this is the case, the British people were asked to ditch first past the post before in 2011 and they voted comprehensively to retain it. Whilst the Liberal Democrats think that the British people got it wrong in 2011 and therefore shouldn't be asked again and Labour meekly enables them the Conservative Party will stand up and hold the Government accountable to the manifesto that the vast majority of them ran on just three months ago. We shall be proposing amendments to put the Government's bill to a series of referenda on the individual proposals and all four constituent member states shall be given their promised vetoes under our plan.

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Sylviane Jaubert
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30/04/2019 3:19 pm  

Deborah Carpenter is opposition to Lords reform is ironic when you consider, it is her own boss's bill. House of Lords is not a House of experts, it is simply a House for donors and has beens. Lords represent worst excesses of British politics, political patronage, corruption and unaccountable politicians. Do not let Deborah Carpenter lie about this, her own boss agrees with us on this and we will ensure people of Britain are represented in a proper manner and their taxes won't spent on political patronage and corruption.

Sylviane Jaubert MP
MP for Cynon Valley

Formerly as The Rt Hon Ariadne "Ari" Suchet MP
Former Prime Minister and Leader of the Labour Party

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Sylviane Jaubert
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30/04/2019 3:25 pm  

Tories oppose our reform bill for one single reason because it will be bad for the Tories. Look at their claims, "Never again will we see the removal vans in Downing Street on the Friday morning after an election where the voters have chosen to kick out the government in power", I have never seen such a superficial response in my life against. Single Transferable Vote ensures that politicians and parties are accountable to the people. Single Transferable Vote already exists in Ireland and other forms of proportional and mixed member proportional vote exists in other countries. I just find it laughable that you can not have a stable government under Single Transferable Vote. Single Transferable Vote is all about accountability and ensure everyone has a voice in political process. Tories do not want accountability, they are perfectly content with running a party that is corrupt and forces people to vote for them anyway. 

Sylviane Jaubert MP
MP for Cynon Valley

Formerly as The Rt Hon Ariadne "Ari" Suchet MP
Former Prime Minister and Leader of the Labour Party

"TrashPotato Today at 2:11 AM
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Macmillan
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30/04/2019 4:28 pm  

The Single Transferable Vote dilutes accountability and it removes the possibility of independent candidates being viable possibilities for our House of Commons. At present everyone has a single MP, someone that they can talk to to get problems solved, under STV there is no one to one constituent-MP meeting because there are now multiple MPs to your constituency. Everyone knows that the reason this Government is pursuing this drastic electoral reform in clear contradiction with the expressed will of the people in 2011 is because the Liberal Democrats demanded it and Labour wanted power. STV will be bad for accountability, bad for constituent-MP relations, in short it will be bad for Britain.

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Macmillan
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30/04/2019 4:31 pm  

Lords reform is a matter of conscience, it should always be a matter of conscience. While I personally support it I would never presume to force my party to vote a certain way on this issue because it is one that is deeply important to many of them, the issue of expertise against accountability. For Ari Suchet to try and dilute it to an issue of party loyalty and then to butcher the principle by burying among such a disastrous bill leaves us in a situation where not only will I be unable to vote for it, but a large section of her own party will be unable to either. If I were Suchet I would withdraw this disastrous bill from the Floor of the House and resubmit my original bill, then there can be a discussion about referenda for the litany of other proposals being considered in contradiction of the Labour Party's manifesto.

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Macmillan
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30/04/2019 4:34 pm  

It is telling that not one other member of the Prime Minister's cabinet has stepped out today, or any other day, to support this shambles of a bill apart from the Liberal Democrats. Labour knows what we all know, this bill is a cobbled together attempt to buy five years in bed with another party despite all that is wrong with this bill. At the end of the day this legislation will make government next to impossible, start diluting our constituency link, and lead to less and less accountability.

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Sylviane Jaubert
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30/04/2019 9:52 pm  

The fact to the matter with First Past the Post you have a ton of safe seats which creates unaccountability for so many MPs across the country in these safe seats, when they do not like actions of a party or their local MP they can vote in an another way it would still not matter. With Single Transferable Vote, every single vote matters. If you don't like your MP or a party, you can simply vote for another party and bolster chances of the party you have voted for and actually get a chance to dump that MP you do not like. STV will allow proper accountability and proper representation. That is what this reform bill is about proper accountability and proper representation.

Sylviane Jaubert MP
MP for Cynon Valley

Formerly as The Rt Hon Ariadne "Ari" Suchet MP
Former Prime Minister and Leader of the Labour Party

"TrashPotato Today at 2:11 AM
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Steve
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05/05/2019 2:40 pm  

Minor Conservative win

There were some really good contributions to this cycle, so well done. Overall, the Conservatives played their hand a bit better (although you were slipping slightly into spam once of twice, so be careful). Pointing to Labour's manifesto, criticizing the volume of changes, and STV without a referendum all played well.

Labour... the Prime Minister was quite isolated but put up a good fight especially towards the end. The good thing is that you stopped this being a Conservative whitewash, but the bad is that you have personally nailed your colours to the mast on it. And you were fighting with one hand behind your back, because Vincenti's comment - one of the best of the cycle - was hardly an endorsement.

Lib Dems - good showing, and you were always going to be the most solid voices for this. You could have done a bit more later in the cycle to defend it against Tory attacks and that may have made the difference.

+1 Press influence for Mac, Deborah, and Ari.

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