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PC14: Europe
#11
The recent revelations in The Times are appalling. Despite the objections of his ministerial colleagues, the ignorance of his Prime Minister, and strong opposition on the backbenches, Dylan Macmillan is pushing forward with this ill-begotten plan. The benefits of the EU can be many, but being asked to give up the sovereignty of our currency is too much to ask for. If Margaret Thatcher and I are both opposed to an idea, it's probably not a great idea in the first place.
James McCrimmon
Leader of the Labour Party (1990-Present)
Leader of Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition (1990-Present)

Member of Parliament for Glasgow Pollok (1970-Present)
Traits: Campaigning Guru, 2XP

Formerly Shadow Solicitor General (1972-1974), Attorney General (1974-1979), Shadow Attorney General (1979-1980), Shadow Health Sec (1981-1983), Shadow Environment Sec (1984-1987), Shadow Employment Sec (1987-1989), Shadow Social Security Sec (1989-1990)
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#12
I can confirm that the leak to the Times is a complete fabrication and provably a lie. The deal negotiated in Rome came from a document of strategies and outcomes worked out by Cabinet Committee at Chequers, in other words at the Prime Minister's house. Now either Labour can accept that they've gone all in on a lie or they can choose to believe that senior members of the government conspired to break into the Prime Minister's house for the purposes of a meeting regarding the future of the Single Market. The Prime Minister and the Cabinet have been kept fully informed of the situation at every level and every step.

Let us consider for a moment what Labour are calling the greatest injustice since the dawn of modern times. The deal negotiated in Rome secures a British opt-out of the Single Currency, Labour calls this proof positive that we want to join the Euro. The deal negotiated calls for an enhanced role for the European Council (made up of national governments) and the European Parliament (made up of elected representatives from the UK and other EEC nations), Labour calls this a mass power sellout. The deal we negotiated calls for less use of majority voting allowing us to retain and expand our national vetoes, Labour calls this a sellout as well. The deal halts further expansion until the EEC gets its house in order, apparently this is unacceptable to Labour as well. Finally the deal allows the British Government more flexibility regarding the ERM, allowing us more fiscal and monetary flexibility to sort out our economic problems, Labour claim we are abdicating our economic powers. Every single claim made by Labour is easily disproven by actually reading the deal we have negotiated with our European friends and partners. The deal we have agreed keeps the UK out of the Single Currency reserving that decision to a referendum for the British people, secures more powers for our national government to control via veto, and provides a democratically accountable European Community with power given to the elected bodies.
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#13
At the moment, Britain will not be joining the Euro. Thanks to this Government we have secured an opt-out meaning that Britain will not be forced to sign up to a single currency, without the express say-so of the British public. Unlike Labour, who have flip-flopped on Europe for decades, we trust the people to make a decision in their best interests. After all, it is the Conservative Party who believe that when it comes to decisions on the future of our currency and our economy, there should be no Westminster stitch-up - the people of Britain should have the final say.
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#14
What Labour fail to grasp is that just because there is a Single Currency we are not obligated to join it, that is the wondrous reality of the opt-out we have negotiated for the British people. The rest of the European Community can, if they want to, create a single currency that we will not obstruct, but we cannot be bounced into said single currency without a positive endorsement from the British people. Labour need to stop trying to take the British people for fools and stop treating them like children.
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#15
Labour has a position on a single currency that has not been negotiated but does not have a position on Maastricht because it is not negotiated. This shows one thing, it is not about fine details of the subject. Labour is about cheap populism laced with nationalism, they know this is good for our country but they choose to ignore it. For all this time I have had disagreements with Labour, major ones but I never would have expected them to reject internationalism and cooperative politics, in favour splendid isolation and a race to the bottom but this Labour has no ideas and desperate for power, so they are doing anything to get it even if it is to betray their foundational ideals. 

Monetary policy should be based on facts and what is beneficial for the country, which can be decided by expert economists, not governments. A single currency managed by a central bank with leading economists is the best solution, with a single currency we can unite our powers to reach for prosperity and rise the tide for every single person within the EEC and with an independent central bank, a strong long term economic performance can be pursued. Euro does offer stability and certainty pound can never offer. Unfortunately the economic crisis we have seen is partially tied to the weakness of the Pound and we can offer strong and stable alternative to it with the Single Currency. Frankly Labour's cheap populist tricks right now convinces me of this even more. They are willing to do anything to gain power and who know what will they do if god forbid they actually gain power. Labour can devalue the pound instantly because they think it might increase exports and gain them some industrial jobs at expense of all of Britain with so much wealth swiped away in middle of the night, Labour can hike or tank interest rates overnight based on whom they are trying to appease, regardless of the consequences. A single currency with an independent central bank is a solution that offers stability, certainty and competency. 
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#16
Nobody has voted for this treaty. The Government has no mandate for it. That is what a "Westminster stitch-up" looks like. If the Government truly believes that a referendum is necessary to avoid a "Westminster stitch-up", then they must also call one on this treaty too.
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#17
It’s clear that Labour is lying, they’re blaming the Government, with the false allegation that it wants to make the pound disappear, completely false, what Government is defending is to hold a referendum on whether we must keep the pound or take single currency, this is about democracy. Labour has no position on Rome, that’s why they lie saying they love the pound, just hypocrisy, because when they rule the country, they make our currency worthless, making our people poorer, they’re not fit to rule over this country, they want to keep us isolated and with a weak economy.
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#18
Under Labour, Britian was the sickman of Europe. Under the Conservatives, Britian is a leader of Europe. It's not that difficult really, when Labour are in power they are unable to grasp the true levers of monetary policy forcing them to go cap in hand to the IMF for a bailout. When the Conservatives are in power Britain has assumed its place as the leader of the European Community where we have been able to maintain our clear sovereignty over monetary policy with our opt-out of a single currency and a slowdown of further expansion of the community. This Government has been clear that for Britain to thrive then Europe must thrive as well and the founding principles of the European Community should be promoted to ensure that the continent of Europe never again succumbs to the scourge of war. Dylan Macmillan has done excellent work for Britain and for Europe.
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#19
Our implication in the European project would have to be seen as a great opportunity for Britain to have the role we deserve in the world, it’s the opportunity to boost our influence across the globe. Imagine a Europe led by the United Kingdom, Europe would be one of the important economical blocs of the world, and with Britain leading it, we would be more powerful than before. For the first time, and thanks to the efforts of our Government, we have important chances that the European Commission will be led by a fellow citizen, and I’m sure it will happen, everything depends on our choice during the next general election. We will keep working for Britain.
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#20
The Government explicitly said in Parliament that they support outsourcing our monetary system to Brussels - just because they tacked on a referendum in order to save face when the public turns against it doesn't erase that their position, clearly on the record, is support for a currency union. Labour not only opposes the selling off of our ability to uplift working people by handing over control of monetary policy to Brussels, but also believes it is outrageous for this Tory Government to think so little of the public that they should only be allowed input on a limited aspect of European policy while depriving them of a say on our broader relationship. We must have a referendum on the Maastricth Treaty and ensure that our focus is on empowering working people in their workplace and communities while building a stable, prosperous economy for the many from the ashes of disastrous Tory experimentation.
Tommy Dawson
MP for Sheffield Brightside (1979-Present)
Deputy Leader of Labour (1990-Present), Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer (1990-Present)
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