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Press Cycle 15 - Lisbon Treaty Referendum
#1
Comments in this thread will be counted towards the Lisbon Treaty Referendum result, please note before your comment if you are on team Pro-Lisbon or team Anti-Lisbon

Cycle closes at 23:59 on the 13th of February.
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#2
[Pro-Treaty] - The government's position is that accepting the Lisbon Treaty is the best thing for the United Kingdom, especially as we enter uncertain times. This is not the time to throw the European project, which while imperfect needs to be brought into the 21st century. The treaty will enable our parliament to use its sovereignty to apply scrutiny to European legislation where it was not able to before, enabling us to use our power in the interests of the British people. It will maintain our unique position within the union, while giving us the tools to become a true leader in a modernised and more effective EU that will be better able to fight in the interests of people in the UK and beyond.
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#3
[Pro-Treaty] - The citizens of Europe - including those within the United Kingdom - will be empowered by the Treaty of Lisbon. The Charter of Fundamental Rights - enshrining the economic, political and social rights of EU citizens - will be enshrined into law, ensuring that EU legislation and regulation is always conducted in a way that promotes such important principles such as equality before the law, basic workers' rights, and liberty and dignity. Legally enshrining such fundamental rights is essential in putting the needs and priorities of citizens at the forefront of how the EU adapts to the challenges and opportunities of the 21st century, and a vote for the Treaty of Lisbon is a vote to make the EU an organisation that places your rights and your interests at the core of everything it does.

[Pro-Treaty] - Padrig Havard and the Eurosceptic wing of the Conservative Party trialled their arguments against the Lisbon Treaty in Parliament, and quite frankly, these arguments make very little sense. He decries the lack of scrutiny that national parliaments have over EU legislation - which is being dramatically changed by the Treaty of Lisbon, which introduces new powers and methods of scrutiny and accountability both for elected European parliamentarians and national parliaments. He argues the EU is ill-defined in its powers and its competencies, that the notion of subsidiarity needs to be clarified - and then says he will campaign against a Treaty that better clarifies those responsibilities. He criticises the EU for not doing enough on climate change - and rejects a Treaty that will better allow the EU to respond effectively and flexibly to this immense challenge. Essentially what the Eurosceptic politicians are arguing is that the EU has flaws, and we should vote against a treaty that works to reduce those flaws and pave the way for a truly responsive and accountable EU. That argument, simply put, makes no sense. 
Sir Lachlan Domnhall Coinneach Duncan MacMahon
Liberal Democrat MP for Gordon (1983-present)
Liberal Democrat leader (2007-)

Fundraising Extraordinaire, Constituency Appeal, Campaign Organiser, Media Darling, Maverick 
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Extended to 23:59 on the 15th
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#5
[Pro-Treaty] There are so many benefits to our membership of the EU, benefits that if we use smartly we can use to amplify our say in global affairs and create substantial new opportunities for every British family and every British community. Coordinated responses on key global issues, the right to live and work throughout a continent, the removal of barriers to trade and commerce, investment in regional equality, cross-border action on issues such as climate change - the EU already affords us these and so many other benefits, and the Treaty of Lisbon will mean it does so in a way that is forever more accountable, forever more inclusive, forever more democratic. 
Sir Lachlan Domnhall Coinneach Duncan MacMahon
Liberal Democrat MP for Gordon (1983-present)
Liberal Democrat leader (2007-)

Fundraising Extraordinaire, Constituency Appeal, Campaign Organiser, Media Darling, Maverick 
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Anti-Lisbon

At times of uncertainty we need to have more control over our own sovereignty. The problem with the EU is that when we give powers to Brussels, no matter how noble the intention, no matter how good the original implementation is, once Brussels have the powers, they won't give them back. At times of uncertainly,  we need sovereignty, we need control, not Brussels. We are not going to all face the same issues, and that is why we need control over our own affairs. Any politician who claims that the opposition to this Treaty is anti-European, and throwing the European project, simply does not understand. Opposition to Lisbon is not anti-European, it is pro-Britain, and any politician who would rather put the European project before Britain and the sovereignty of this nation should be ashamed of this un-patriotic stance.
MP for Hexham 2005 -
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#7
[Pro-Treaty]

Let's be honest here: I strongly disagree with those who are opposed to the Lisbon Treaty, but I accept that they are patriots who are trying to achieve what they think is the right thing for the country. For Sebastian Knight to say that those who support Lisbon are being "anti-patriotic" is, quite frankly, a deplorable attack line. We must disagree civilly. 

((Should read "un-patriotic".))
Sir Lachlan Domnhall Coinneach Duncan MacMahon
Liberal Democrat MP for Gordon (1983-present)
Liberal Democrat leader (2007-)

Fundraising Extraordinaire, Constituency Appeal, Campaign Organiser, Media Darling, Maverick 
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#8
Those who put Europe first and Britain last are not patriots, ergo they are un-patriotic. I was being quite civil when I said that.
MP for Hexham 2005 -
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#9
It is clear that Sebastian Knight has decided that well-natured and civil debate is too stuffy and prudish for his tastes - and if he wants to go around calling those who disagree with him unpatriotic, and possibly the millions of Brits who are currently expected to vote for Lisbon too, then that's his prerogative. But let me reiterate a point that I've already made countless times: I support the Treaty of Lisbon because I believe it is in the best interests not just of Europe as a whole, but of the United Kingdom and of the ordinary British person. 
Sir Lachlan Domnhall Coinneach Duncan MacMahon
Liberal Democrat MP for Gordon (1983-present)
Liberal Democrat leader (2007-)

Fundraising Extraordinaire, Constituency Appeal, Campaign Organiser, Media Darling, Maverick 
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#10
[Anti-treaty] The people of Britain deserve to know what happens in Brussels and deserve to have a say on goings on there this treaty doesn't do that. All it does is pay lip service to reforms in Europe without actually addressing the concerns and anxieties which current members have.

[anti-treaty] Sir Duncan MacMahon and the government say that just because there is a way for national parliaments to review EU legislation, what they won't tell you is the process. Here is that process "The Treaty of Lisbon allows national parliaments eight weeks to study legislative proposals made by the European Commission and decide whether to send a reasoned opinion stating why the national parliament considers it to be incompatible with the principle of subsidiarity. National parliaments may vote to have the measure reviewed. If one third (or one quarter, where the proposed EU measure concerns freedom, justice and security) of national parliaments are in favour of a review, the Commission would have to review the measure and if it decides to maintain it, must give a reasoned opinion to the Union legislator as to why it considers the measure to be compatible with subsidiarity." As you can see this is a long and arduous process which few members will take advantage of, and even if they do there is no guarantee their voice will be heard. This is not open nor transparent like we were promised but a guise to pay lip service to EU detractors.
Padrig Havard MP Monmouth (2005-Present)
Shadow Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs
Traits: Media Darling, Campaign Guru, Maverick
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