PC 12: Shadow Budget(s)

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Re: PC 12: Shadow Budget(s)

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When you play a number's game instead of craft a legitimate long term strategy, you're left wanting, mistakes are made and your competence has come under question. I think Ms. Flair herself had learned that recently.

I made it clear it was a mistake, and she should be allowed to learn from it. The Conservatives, meanwhile, had called for her to resign when they had made a very similar error - coming out with their tuition fees pledge unfulfilled before admitted it was an error: but we still don't know that maths behind their graduate tax proposal, how it would be funded and if their numbers add up at all. This isn't a matter of policy debate, this is basic competence that the Shadow Chancellor and Leader of the Opposition can't even fulfil.

I'm not going to call for either party to resign, but I would emphasise it would be unthinkable for a Chancellor to present a budget and tell the British public because of their ill preparation they had to change the sums. This is just evidence the opposition have a long way to go before they're ready for government: thank god the adults are in charge.
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Calamity Croft loves to hunt down those photo-ops. Under Tory plans he would be going from school opening to hospital, to army recruitment centre but at the end of the day it's all meaningless. The Tories build nearly 200 schools and allocate exactly £0 to their upkeep or supplies, they build 40 clinics and allocate exactly £0 to their maintenance or local delivery, and they recruit 3,000 troops and allocate exactly £0 to the procurement and maintenance of their supplies. Jumping from photo-op to photo-op in this way may look appealing, but it leaves a trail of devastation in its wake which proves how unfit for power the Tories really are. Opening schools without provision fails children, opening hospitals without funding endangers patients, and hiring soldiers without the proper equipment puts our troops' lives in danger. This is the legacy of the Conservative Party and it's our future if Calamity Croft gets anywhere near Number 10.
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I'm sure President Bush will be deeply disappointed in William Croft - not for the misplaced scotch, but we heard Mr. Croft gush to President Bush about the importance of foreign aid. Mr. Croft himself admitted international development would be a crucial part of his strategy to tackle terrorism, and his former Shadow Foreign Secretary reiterated that commitment.

It's turned out he has now cut that aid as a % of GDP. I could argue about how this would weaken Britain's international standing and influence, but I think the crux of my point is William Croft talks big, and doesn't ever deliver or stick by his promises - this is one of many examples. The Shadow Chancellor spoke of a 'bonfire of regulations', but this Shadow Budget is just a bonfire of promises the Conservatives made to the electorate and have failed to deliver on.
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“Of all these U-turns and broken promises, the most glaring is perhaps the Government’s announcement on flood-prevention spending. Minutes ago, the Chancellor took to the dispatch box to boast that the “lion’s share” of the £40 million in new funding appropriated to the Environment Agency will go towards flood prevention. After the tragic and disastrous flooding that swept across England last year, Defra commissioned the Institute of Civil Engineers (ICE) to prepare a report that would outline the necessary steps the Government would need to take in order to properly protect against future floods. In their report, which was released earlier this year, ICE concludes that £80 million pounds, more than double what the Chancellor has allocated in this budget, would be the absolute “minimum level of investment to maintain defences in a safe condition.” People's lives are literally on the line because the Government.”

When the government announced £40 million to the Environment Agency as part of sustained investments to hit this crucial and life saving £80 million target, William Croft said this.

In the shadow budget, after all the outrage, he added to his bonfire of broken promises and didn’t give the Environment Agency one penny.
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Let's look at the numbers. The Government's budget hires 1,500 more police, a Conservative Government would bring on 2,500 just in its first year. The Government's budget makes an insufficient increase in the personal allowance for the starting rate of income tax, a Conservative Government would abolish it altogether. Where the Government's budget increases funding for public services, a Conservative Government would match that spending while pairing it with long overdue public spending reforms that will cut down on government waste. The Chancellor talks about playing a numbers game, but the fact of the matter is that his numbers just don't add up when it comes to crafting a cohesive plan for the long term success of this country. Through our Shadow Budget, the Conservative Party has proven that funding our public services and making serious tax cuts that allow people to keep more of what they earn are not mutually exclusive. Indeed it is our argument that lower taxes lead to stronger public services in the long run, as the wealth creation they enable means we have more money to expand our NHS, build more schools, and get more police officers onto the street.

Our alternative budget puts more money into the hands of the British people, safeguards our public services, and tackles rising crime head on. These are the issues that people care about, and it is the Shadow Budget that most effectively addresses them.
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Let’s look at the numbers. Mr. Croft promised on nationwide television a £10 billion surplus. In stead it’s a £4 billion. He railed on the government about Environment policy, he doesn’t touch it. He cut foreign aid. He builds schools without maintenance budgets, and privatises the Royal Mail. When he can’t keep his promises, supporting their slash and burn Shadow Budget just doesn’t add up
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Re: PC 12: Shadow Budget(s)

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If Mr Croft wants to look purely at numbers of police then look no further than the Liberal Democrats "Bobby on the Beat" initiative, 4,000 police officers every year for fives years, bringing in 20,000 more police officers to improve police visibility in our communities. But it is not just in numbers that the Tory Party are found wanting it is in vision. Their refusal to invest, despite posting the lowest surplus of any of the three major parties would see more police officers with less equipment, more schools with fewer textbooks, and about a half a dozen of Calamity Croft's ironclad promises broken. The Conservative Party have no vision, no principles, and increasingly no clue either.
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The Conservative Party made a great deal of noise about their pro-family agenda. They opposed Section 28 because they were pro-family values, they wanted to invest in our children because they were pro-children, and they wanted to reintroduce the Married Tax Allowance because they were pro-marriage. Looking at this Shadow Budget it is as if they had never even laid eyes on a human family before. There is no serious investment in education, absolutely no investment in families' welfare, and worst of all a complete and unmitigated u-turn on the Married Tax Allowance which doesn't even feature in this Budget at all. The Conservative Party are not pro-family, they are pro-headline, families are a useful tool for one debate then back on the scrapheap they go.
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I am delighted to put forward the Shadow Budget, an audacious programme of tax cuts, slashed red tape, support for families, a fair deal for pensioners, and public sector investment tempered with meaningful reform. This is a budget that will, in our first year as a Government, begin to reverse the never ending squeeze on British workers, homeowners, pensioners and small business owner by a Labour Government whose refusal to cut tax to stimulate growth is the hall mark of their economic control freakery.

It is just the opening salvo of our economic programme, and I look forward to taking our Conservative message of doing things radically different, and unleashing Britain's potential across the country in the days and weeks ahead.
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Re: PC 12: Shadow Budget(s)

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The Conservatives are a tax cutting party, it's in our DNA - that's why we have produced the a bold programme of tax reductions that Labour and the Lib Dems simply wouldn't deliver, because they don't understand its importance to the economy. On the one hand Sir Jack Anderson appears to be auditioning for the part of the financial equivalent of Gollum - sitting in No. 11 and hoarding his 'precious' surplus at the expense of giving tax relief to ordinary workers, only to satisfy the money markets who still haven't been convinced that Labour won't revert to their tax and spend tendencies. On the other hand, Becky Flair says we have been far too audacious with our budget - when the Liberal Democrats can't even get their own sums right, Rebecca's wild spending plans, larger than even that of Chancellor Scrooge -including millions of pounds to re-educate our hardworking police officers with PC jargon- would only cause a public sector boom at the expense of the private sector growth which drives the revenue needed for public services.

When it comes down to it for ordinary, decent, hardworking Brits who go out to work, do the right thing, and want to see more of their money stay at home - Labour won't deliver, and the Liberals simply can't deliver.
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