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PC17: Signing of Maastricht Treaty - Redgrave - 08-27-2020

What do you think about this landmark event?

Closes at 23:59pm UK on 30th August


RE: PC17: Signing of Maastricht Treaty - Ruth Murphy - 08-27-2020

The government needs to get the narrative on Maastricht together - the Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary have promised to ratify the treaty on its approval in the House which they promised to put a motion before the House after signing, yet the Foreign Secretary promised to respect the motion on the referendum should it be passed in Parliament. 

In signing this treaty, the government has signalled its intention to push through Maastricht and sweep the debate it requires under the carpet. It does not matter if you are for or against Maastricht - what matters is ensuring promises from this government are upheld. 



RE: PC17: Signing of Maastricht Treaty - Dylan Macmillan - 08-27-2020

The Maastricht Treaty is a masterstroke of British diplomacy that puts the UK front and centre of the soon to be formed European Union. This treaty democratises Europe, ensuring that every matter will be put to the European Parliament to be voted for by our democratically elected representatives. The treaty safeguards our sovereignty by ensuring that not one power, new or old, is subject to a European Council QMV but is instead protected by the national veto, this is the first treaty in EEC/EU history to not expand the power of the QMV or change the voting dynamics of the European Council. The treaty safeguards the British pound, giving us an opt-out from membership of the Single Currency subject to a referendum of the British people. This treaty really is the best of both Worlds, factoring in the British national interest with increased democracy and fully protected national sovereignty, I look forward to tabling a motion in the House of Commons formally ratifying it shortly.

Labour haven't got an offer on Europe so their solution is to lie about it. Signing a treaty does not give it legal force, only ratification does. Until the treaty is ratified by the House of Commons or the people in a referendum it cannot bind us. It is disingenuous of Labour to suggest that we have done anything out of the ordinary considering this is literally the process they used when ratifying the treaties required to form the United Nations and this is literally the process we have used to ratify treaties since we became a parliamentary democracy.


RE: PC17: Signing of Maastricht Treaty - William Croft - 08-27-2020

The British people already have a referendum on Maastricht: the 1992 general election. They know quite clearly where the Conservative Party stands on the treaty, and if they don't believe we should have signed and ratified it, they can show us the door via the ballot box. Labour is advocating for a referendum on Maastricht not because they care about giving the people a say, but because they're not prepared to make the hard decisions and would rather you do it for them. They don't know what to think about Maastricht because they don't know what to think about Europe; their entirely policy as it relates to the continent is to stand in opposition to it and to its future. Ruth Murphy's misunderstanding over the ratification process is evidence enough. They fear what they don't understand, and they're willing to let you suffer because of it. 

Governments are meant to govern, not pass the work off to the people when governing gets hard. The Government proudly stands behind this treaty, we confidently stand behind a Europe built upon free markets and free people, and unlike Labour we're prepared to face the people's judgement on it.


RE: PC17: Signing of Maastricht Treaty - Dylan Macmillan - 08-27-2020

This treaty secures our economic future as a leading light in Europe. Our finance sector is supported by an expedited completion of the integration of the single market in this regards and our ability to take action to better our economy in monetary and fiscal policy is protected by the widening of the ERM bands. This will further enable us to use fiscal and monetary policy to protect our economy from future shocks whilst remaining in our fixed-floating arrangement with the Deutschmark. This treaty is a good deal for the British economy allowing us to put British interests at the forefront of our economic decision making with freedom and the utmost concern for our citizenry.

This treaty protects British sovereignty completely, every single decision made by the EU will be subject to contemplation and decision by the European Council, a body made up of the responsible Minister from every constituent nation of the EU. For the first time in European history this body has not had to forfeit any power to QMV, which would override our national veto on the European stage, and no nation has had to forfeit voting power at the Council by a change in the voting weights. This treaty ensures that the United Kingdom retains a full veto over any new items added to the European Union's competencies and any power that was previously reserved for the national veto. Far from outsourcing our national sovereignty this treaty protects it and prevents decisions that affect the UK from being overturned by a majority of other European states.

Labour likes to sit on the fence a lot, their referendum ploy was a desperate attempt to avoid taking a stance on the issue at hand and kick the can down the road for a few more weeks. Sadly the splinters have built up and there is no more hiding from the question, does Labour back our place in Europe and campaign for the Maastricht Treaty in their hypothetical referendum or will Labour kowtow to its Europhobic, NATO-despising boss?


RE: PC17: Signing of Maastricht Treaty - William Croft - 08-27-2020

The Maastricht Treaty isn't simply a step towards stronger European cooperation, it is a critical win for the British people. By ratifying Maastricht, Parliament will ensure that Britain remains a leader on the continent, that we have the power to protect British interests, and that the British people share in the benefits of a freer and fairer EEC. In life, you're either apart of the game or simply a spectator watching from the sidelines. That is equally true when it comes to diplomacy, certainly when it relates to our future within Europe. The British people deserve better than a Labour Party content with sidelining their interests and letting others make the rules for us. The agreements this Government and our Foreign Secretary has negotiated have made Maastricht a success, not just for Europe but critically for every single British citizen.


RE: PC17: Signing of Maastricht Treaty - Tommy Dawson - 08-27-2020

(08-27-2020, 10:15 PM)William Croft Wrote: The British people already have a referendum on Maastricht: the 1992 general election. They know quite clearly where the Conservative Party stands on the treaty, and if they don't believe we should have signed and ratified it, they can show us the door via the ballot box. Labour is advocating for a referendum on Maastricht not because they care about giving the people a say, but because they're not prepared to make the hard decisions and would rather you do it for them. They don't know what to think about Maastricht because they don't know what to think about Europe; their entirely policy as it relates to the continent is to stand in opposition to it and to its future. Ruth Murphy's misunderstanding over the ratification process is evidence enough. They fear what they don't understand, and they're willing to let you suffer because of it. 

Governments are meant to govern, not pass the work off to the people when governing gets hard. The Government proudly stands behind this treaty, we confidently stand behind a Europe built upon free markets and free people, and unlike Labour we're prepared to face the people's judgement on it.

If Will Croft took a second to consider what he was saying before he said it - which I am unsure if he's capable of doing - he'd realise that this assertion undermines his party's position on the single currency. The Prime Minister refuses to say what his perspective on outsourcing our monetary policy to Brussels bureaucrats is, so are most Tory frontbenchers. Is this because, as his Home Secretary said, "they're not prepared to make the hard decisions and would rather you do it for them"?[/b]


RE: PC17: Signing of Maastricht Treaty - David Williams - 08-27-2020

As we enter a new millenium, Britain prepares to encounter new challenges. The signing of the Maastricht Treaty by Prime Minister Meyerscough is both a sign and a signal of Britain's commitment to facing those challenges together with our allies on the continent, to braving the storms and prospering together. The Government, today, has signaled its intentions to commit to our common cause with Europe: freedom, liberty, prosperity, and justice for all. Economic prosperity, coupled with economic and social justice, are at the heart of the Meyerscough Government and the increased integration of the European Community which will soon become the European Union. I congratulate our Government for their brave and firm policy decision: to pursue ever greater union with our Allies in Europe.


RE: PC17: Signing of Maastricht Treaty - Dylan Macmillan - 08-27-2020

The constitutional precedent is clear, Parliament ratifies treaty. This has been the case since the United Kingdom became a parliamentary democracy. Now there have been narrow exceptions to this, notably in 1975 when Harold Wilson proposed a referendum on the European Economic Community, citing the loss of sovereignty it would entail and asking the British people to use their best judgement to determine if the benefits outweighed the drawbacks. That decision was made, we are in, we remain in and will continue to do so. Joining the Euro would involve joining a new organisation, the Eurozone, that is why we are putting it to a referendum. Ratifying the Maastricht Treaty is no different to any of the other treaties that were signed and ratified between 1975 and today, it is another (albeit excellent for Britain) treaty defining our relationship with the EEC, or as it will now be known the EU. Labour can try and compare chalk with cheese to frighten the British public all they want but the constitutional precedent of the last 300yrs is clearly on the side of Parliament doing its job and ratifying or rejecting the Maastricht Treaty, not punting the decision away because Labour can't reconcile between its pro-Europe elements and it's anti-Europe leadership.


RE: PC17: Signing of Maastricht Treaty - Alex Cardigan MP - 08-28-2020

The signing of the Maastricht Treaty is a momentously positive moment for Britain. We are taking the lead in the world once more, and not only will we see huge economic benefits, but we will have a generation able to travel, work, love, and live abroad. That European ideal, that internationalist ideal, is one which liberals have often championed alone. That European integration is now a common aim with major factions in all parties across Parliament is a huge step, and has meant that that every slightly sad trudge through otherwise empty division lobbies with a little Liberal parliamentary party has been worth it. However, we must proceed democratically. I want to get politicians out of Westminster, and I want the people of this country to decide, and I cannot wait to make the positive case for Europe up and down this country in a referendum.

Internationalists like me have nothing to worry about from a referendum - we should respect the people and know that we can make a strong, positive case for Europe. Democracy is all about making a case to the public, and I have always felt that people respect politicians who try and do just that, and campaign for the right thing. Labour's eurosceptic arguments didn't wash in 1975 and they won't wash now, either. Let's have a referendum, get out of Westminster Parliamentary punch and judy politics, and take democracy to the people. There is a strong economic case, and a strong emotive case - let's get out there and make our case, and listen to what the public have to say about it.